Hei Nick
Kiitos vastauksestasi, vaikka olenkin melko h?mm?stynyt joistakin sanoistasi.
Ensinn?kin et ole vastannut kysymyksiini, jotka koskevat t?t? eritt?in vakavaa valitusta.
Olen kysynyt sinulta useaan otteeseen, oletko ollut yhteydess? chipstarsiin t?ss? asiassa, etk? ole koskaan vastannut. Huomaa my?s, ett? et ole koskaan kutsunut chipstarsia liittym??n t?h?n valitusketjuun keskustelemaan asiasta. Eik? sinulla voi olla valitusprosessia, jossa kasino ei edes puutu asiaan?
Voitko selitt??, miksi chipstars ei ole koskaan vastannut t?h?n valitusketjuun? Onko syyn? se, ett? he tiet?v?t, ett? he ovat rikkoneet omia k?ytt?ehtojaan useaan otteeseen, mutta k?ytt?v?t t?t? lauseketta vain, jos joku voittaa? katso kod1-valitus .
Kasinogurun valitusprosessissa havaittiin, ett? kod1 rikkoi chipstarsin k?ytt?ehtoja avaamalla tilin Isosta-Britanniasta, ja sin? puolustit chipstareita, kun he poistivat kod1:n voitot ja palauttivat talletuksensa. Samassa tapauksessani sanot nyt, ett? rikoin (he antoivat minun rikkoa) chipstarsin k?ytt?ehdot avaamalla tilin Isosta-Britanniasta, mutta t?ss? tapauksessa, koska menetin chipsatrien ei tarvitse palauttaa talletuksiani. Kuten aiemmin todettiin, pelit?htien Win/Win-tilanne ja pelkk? petos.
Sanot my?s seuraavaa
"On joitakin chat-keskusteluja kasinon kanssa, joissa he v?itt?v?t, ett? Yhdistynyt kuningaskunta on rajoitettu, mutta koska se on yli vuoden vanha, emme voi pit?? sit? merkityksellisen? t?ll? hetkell?."
Joten olen toimittanut sinulle selke?t todisteet chipstarsilta, joissa he sanovat, ett? Yhdistynyt kuningaskunta on rajoitettu maa, mutta sin? sanot, ett? sill? ei ole merkityst?.
Tietysti se on olennaista, koska yli vuosi sitten on tarkka aika, jolloin tilini oli toiminnassa heid?n kanssaan. Onko selv??, ett? asiaankuuluvat k?ytt?ehdot olivat ne, jotka olivat voimassa, kun tilini oli toiminnassa, eik? niin?
Helppo tapa ratkaista t?m? valitus olisi pyyt?? chipstarsia vahvistamaan, hyv?ksyiv?tk? he asiakkaita Yhdistyneest? kuningaskunnasta tilini ollessa toiminnassa, eik? niin? Jos he vahvistavat, ett? he eiv?t, he selv?sti palauttavat kaikki talletukseni. Loppujen lopuksi he tekiv?t juuri t?m?n kod1-valituksen kanssa, ja kasinoguru oli enemm?n kuin iloinen voidessaan suostua siihen, ett? heill? oli oikeus peruuttaa voitot ja palauttaa talletukset. Miksi et k?yt? samaa skenaariota nyt? Mist? l?htien kasinoguru alkoi kertoa valittajille, jos kasino rikkoo heid?n omia ehtojaan, se on lupaviranomaisten asia?
Voitko selvent??, ett? kasinogurujen asema on siis seuraava
a.Jos asiakas rikkoo kasinon ehtoja, hylk??t automaattisesti kasinon
b. Jos kasino rikkoo omia ehtojaan, sanot, ett? et voi tehd? mit??n ja suosittelet asiakasta ryhtym??n oikeustoimiin rahansa takaisin saamiseksi.
Joten j?lleen win/win-tilanne kasinolle ja selke? kaksoisstandardi Casino Gurulta. Se tuskin on oikeudenmukainen riitaprosessi?
Siirry eteenp?in, voitko selitt?? t?m?n, mit? sanoit
"Otit jopa yhteytt? toimilupaviranomaisiin, jotka selittiv?t sinulle saman tilanteen ja p??ttiv?t kasinon hyv?ksi. He p??ttiv?t, ett? kasinon tulee palauttaa sinulle 5000€, kun taas sait vaatestasi viel? enemm?n."
Ensinn?kin, voitko selitt??, mist? sait n?m? tiedot? Luotan siihen, ett? olet siksi ollut yhteydess? chipstarsiin?
Toiseksi voin vakuuttaa teille, ett? sanomasi on 100 % v??rin. Otin yhteytt? lupaviranomaisiin, mutta voin vahvistaa, ett? vaikka l?hetin heille lukuisia s?hk?posteja, he eiv?t KOSKAAN vastanneet.
Siksi luotan, ett? voit toimittaa minulle todisteet t?st? r?ike?st? valheesta mahdollisimman pian?
Vaikuttaa silt?, ett? vaikka olet saanut ylivoimaisia todisteita siit?, ett? chipstars ovat rikkoneet k?ytt?ehtojaan useaan otteeseen, sinulla ei ole aikomusta tehd? valitusta heit? vastaan. Selitt?isitk? miksi n?in?
Casino Guru sanoo kohdassa "Miten ratkaisemme kasinovalituksia ja miksi
"Kun toteamme, ett? on olemassa todellinen mahdollisuus, ett? pelaaja on oikeassa, emmek? pysty ratkaisemaan valitusta itse, yksi ratkaisijamme ottaa yhteytt? kasinoon ja pyyt?? edustajaa puuttumaan asiaan."
Olet jo my?nt?nyt, ett? olen toimittanut sinulle kasinolta todisteet, jotka osoittavat minun olevan oikeassa, joten miksi et ole pyyt?nyt kasinon edustajaa osallistumaan?
Kaiken sanomani valossa arvostan nyt seuraavaa.
Vaihe 5 kasinovalituksen ratkaisemisesta sanoo
Olemme eritt?in ylpeit? t?st? l?pin?kyv?st? j?rjestelm?st? ja johdonmukaisuuden tasosta, jonka voimme tuoda p??t?ksiimme. Lis?ksi pid?mme joka keskiviikko erikoispuhelun, jossa on mukana 20 asiantuntevinta asiantuntijaamme ja jonka aikana keskustellaan monimutkaisimmista tapauksista.
Odotan, ett? ottaen huomioon, kuinka monimutkaiselta tapaukseni vaikuttaa, valitustiiminne johto tarkastelee sen perusteellisesti sek? min? ett? chipstarsin edustaja. Jos chipstars on valehdellut sinulle, heid?n pit?isi automaattisesti menett?? valitus, koska he ovat rikkoneet k?ytt?ehtojaan eiv?tk? selv?stik??n ole luotettavia.
Hello Nick
Thank you for your response although I'm quite amazed at some of the things you have said.
Firstly you have not answered my questions regarding this very serious complaint.
I have asked you on numerous occasions if you have been in contact with chipstars regarding this matter and you have not once replied. Also I note you have never invited chipstars to join this complaints thread to discuss the matter. You can't have a complaints process where the casino does not even get involved can you?
Can you explain why chipstars have never responded on this complaints thread? Is it because they know they have broken their own T&C's on numerous occasions but only use this clause if someone wins? see kod1 complaint.
Casino guru's complaints process found that kod1 broke chipstars T&C's by opening an account from the UK and you sided with chipstars when they removed kod1's winnings and refunded their deposits. In my identical case you are now saying that I broke (they allowed me to break) chipstars T&C's by opening an account from the UK but in this instance because I lost chipsatrs don't have to refund my deposits. So as stated before a Win/Win situation for chipstars and nothing short of fraud.
You also say the following
"There are some chat conversations with the casino where they claim UK is restricted but as it is over a year old, we can't consider it relevant in the present."
So I have provided you with clear evidence from chipstars where they say the UK is a restricted country but you say it isn't relevant.
Of course it is relevant as being over a year ago is the exact time my account was operational with them. Cleary the relevant T&Cs are the ones that were in place when my account was operational are they not?
The easy way to resolve this complaint would be to ask chipstars to confirm if they accepted customers from the UK at the time my account was operational would it not? If they confirm that they didn't then clearly they will return all of my deposits. After all this is exactly what they did with kod1 complaint and casino guru were more than happy to agree that they had a right to cancel the winnings and refund the deposits. Why are you not enforcing the same scenario now. Since when did casino guru start telling complainants if a casino breaches their own T&C's it is a matter for licensing authorities?
Can you clarify that casino gurus position is therefore the following
a.If a customer breaches a casinos T&C's then you will automatically rule in favour of the casino
b. If the casino breaches its own T&C's you will say you can't do anything and recommend the customer to take legal action to recover their money
So again a win/win situation for the casino and clearly double standards from Casino Guru. That is hardly a fair dispute process is it?
Moving on , can you explain this that you said
"You even did contact the licensing authorities which explained the same situation to you and ruled in favor of the casino. They decided that the casino should refund you 5000€ while you received even more by your claim."
Firstly, can you explain where you got this information from?I trust that you have therefore been in contact with chipstars?
Secondly I can assure you that what you have said is 100% incorrect. I did contact the licensing authorities but can confirm that despite sending them numerous emails they NEVER once replied.
Therefore I trust that you can provide me the evidence of this blatant lie asap?
It would appear that despite receiving overwhelming evidence that chipstars have breached their T&Cs on numerous occasions you have no intention of ruling a complaint against them. Would you explain why that is please?
Casino Guru says under "How We Resolve Casino Complaints and Why
"Once we conclude that there is a real possibility that the player is in the right and we cannot solve the complaint by ourselves, one of our solvers contacts the casino and asks the representative to get involved."
You have already admitted that I have provided you with the evidence from the casino that proves I'm in the right so why haven't you asked the casino representative to get involved?
In light of everything I have said I would now appreciate the following.
Step 5 of your how to resolve casino Complaints says
We are very proud of this transparent system and the level of consistency we are able to bring into our decisions. What's more, every Wednesday we hold a special call that features 20 of our most knowledgeable specialists, during which the most complicated cases are discussed.
I would expect that given how complicated my case appears to be that the management of your complaints team thoroughly review it with the involvement of both myself and the chipstars representative. If chipstars have been lying to you then they automatically should lose the complaint as they have broken their T&Cs and are clearly not trustworthy either.