K?ra Nick,
Tack f?r ditt svar ?ven om jag ?r lite f?rbryllad ?ver varf?r du ignorerar huvudpo?ngen i mitt klagom?l som ?r ett tydligt brott mot Chipstars egna villkor.
I deras T&C st?r f?ljande n?r mitt konto var i drift
11. Vad h?nder med mitt konto om det inte verifieras?
Tills du blir verifierad kan du anv?nda l?tsaspengar f?r att kolla in plattformen och spelet. Efter att du blivit registrerad kan du g?ra en ins?ttning och f? ins?ttningsbonus och bli inkluderad i VIP-programmet.
Som tidigare n?mnts var mitt konto ALDRIG verifierat men jag kunde s?tta in ?ver 27 000 EUR p? mindre ?n en m?nad. Jag kan f?rs?kra att det definitivt inte var fiktiva l?tsaspengar jag anv?nde p? ett overifierat konto. Jag blev dock inkluderad i deras VIP-program v?ldigt snabbt.
Som jag ocks? redan har informerat dig om var det exakta saldot p? mitt konto noll n?r mitt konto blockerades och kasinot skickade tillbaka 8 000 EUR av mina nettoins?ttningar p? 26 300 EUR. Det betyder att de fortfarande h?ller inne 18 300 EUR av mina ins?ttningar som de accepterat p? ett overifierat konto och ett konto fr?n Storbritannien som de ocks? s?ger att de inte kunde/inte accepterade.
Uppenbarligen hade jag vunnit att de med r?tta hade ogiltigf?rklarat ALLA transaktioner och returnerat ALLA mina ins?ttningar, vilket ?r n?got de gjorde p? ett tidigare klagom?l fr?n forummedlemmen kod1 men bara f?r att han vann!!. Men n?r jag f?rlorade best?mde de sig f?r att beh?lla hela 8 000 EUR av ins?ttningarna p? 26 300 EUR. En win/win-situation f?r dem och inget annat ?n brott mot T&C och bedr?geri.
Det verkar som om du som en del av klagom?lsprocessen inte ens har kontaktat Chipstars f?r att fr?ga dem varf?r de har brutit mot sina egna T&C. Du har inte heller fr?gat dem varf?r de medvetet ?ppnade ett konto fr?n ett begr?nsat territorium (Storbritannien). De s?ger sj?lva att de inte till?ter att konton fr?n Storbritannien ?ppnas s? hur gick det till? Som jag kommer att forts?tta att s?ga hade jag vunnit skulle de INTE ha betalat ut vinster och deras handlingar p? kod1-konton bevisar detta.
Casino Guru har sagt att de h?ller sig till Fair Gambling Codex.
Jag har l?st igenom det och det st?r tydligt f?ljande
Definition av r?ttvisa kasinon
Ett "r?ttvist kasino" ?r ett onlinecasino som:
Betalar ut alla legitima vinster
Har inga or?ttvisa klausuler i sina allm?nna villkor (T&C) (mer om detta senare i artikeln)
Anv?nder inga bedr?gliga metoder f?r att lura spelare
Genomf?r begr?nsade l?nder (till?ter inte spelare fr?n dem att skapa ett konto eller spela fr?n ett begr?nsat land) och begr?nsade bonusar (ger bara bonusar till kvalificerade spelare)
5. Begr?nsade l?nder
Kasinots synvinkel
N?rhelst n?gon fr?n ett begr?nsat land registrerar sig till?ter dessa kasinon dem att skapa ett konto, men l?ter dem bara veta om begr?nsningen n?r de vill g?ra ett uttag. S? l?nge en spelare f?rlorar ?r casinot OK med det, men s? fort spelaren vinner och vill ta ut pengar anv?nder de regeln 'begr?nsade l?nder' f?r att avb?ja uttaget och blockera spelarens konto.
Detta ?r naturligtvis extremt or?ttvist, eftersom spelare kan registrera sig utan att k?nna till restriktionerna, och kasinon utnyttjar deras misstag, ofta medvetet och avsiktligt.
Om en spelare kan komma ?t casinots hemsida, ?ppna registreringsformul?ret, skapa ett konto, s?tta in och spela, ?r det f?rst?eligt att de antar att de f?r spela p? detta casino.
V?r position
Det ?r inte acceptabelt att l?ta spelare spela om ett kasino vet att de kommer fr?n ett begr?nsat land
S? om Casino Gurus synpunkt ?r att det inte ?r acceptabelt ?r jag chockad ?ver att du fortfarande inte har fr?gat Chipstars om hur kontoformul?ret Storbritannien kunde ?ppnas. Som jag har sagt tidigare anv?nde jag INTE en VPN och min IP-adress kommer att ha kommit fr?n Storbritannien, liksom alla mina registreringsuppgifter. Det faktum att de hade Storbritannien tillg?ngligt p? sin listruta med l?nder vid registreringen skulle visa att de aktivt s?kte brittiska kunder.
Slutligen ?r detta inte en licenstvist och jag ?r s?ker p? att du ?r mer ?n medveten om det. Dessutom ?ven om det d? var Curacao-tillsynsmyndigheterna lika anv?ndbart som en chokladtekanna. En Curacao-licens inneb?r ingen reglering alls.
Jag litar p? att du nu ?ntligen kommer i kontakt med chipsstars eftersom en klagom?lsprocess m?ste involvera alla parter i diskussionen. Fram tills nu verkar det som att trots ?verv?ldigande bevis som jag har tillhandah?llit dig som visar tydliga brott mot chipsstars T&C, manipulerade till deras f?rdel verkar du inte vilja ta reda p? varf?r de har gjort detta.
som svar p? fr?gan " varf?r registrerade du dig ens d?r om du s?g att de inte har en UKG-licens?"
Jag ?r en allvarligt st?rd spelare och ?r registrerad f?r gamstop vilket hindrar mig fr?n att ?ppna konton hos alla ?kta spelbolag som accepterar Storbritannien. Chipstars marknadsf?rde aktivt f?r spelberoende i Storbritannien. bara googla chipsstars och non gamstop f?r att se detta!!
Jag ser fram emot dina och chipsstars svar
Dear Nick,
Thank you for your reply although I'm slightly perplexed as to why you are ignoring the main point of my complaint which is a clear breach of Chipstars own Terms and Conditions.
Their T&C's state the following when my account was operational
11. What will happen to my account if it isn't verified?
Until you get verified you can use play money to check out the platform and gameplay. After you get registered you can make a deposit and receive deposit bonus and get included in the VIP program.
As previously stated my account was NEVER verified but I was able to deposit over EUR27,000 in less than a month. I can assure it definitely wasn't fictitious play money I was using on an unverified account. I did however get included into their VIP program very quickly.
As I have also already informed you the exact balance on my account was zero when my account got blocked and the casino sent me back EUR8,000 out of my net deposits of EUR26,300. This means that they are still withholding EUR18,300 of my deposits that they accepted on an unverified account and an account from the UK that they also say they couldn't/didn't accept.
Obviously had I won they would have rightly voided ALL transactions and returned ALL my deposits, which is something they did on a previous complaint from forum member kod1 but only because he won!!. However as I lost they decided to keep all bar EUR8.000 of the EUR26,300 deposits . A win/win situation for them and nothing but breach of T&C's and fraud.
It would appear that as part of the complaints process you have not even contacted Chipstars to ask them why they have breached their own T&C's. You have also not asked them why they knowingly opened an account from a restricted territory (the UK). They themselves say they don't allow accounts from the UK to be opened so how did it happen? As I will continue to state had I won they would NOT have paid out winnings and their actions on kod1 accounts prove this point.
Casino Guru has said they stick to the Fair Gambling Codex.
I have read through it and it clearly states the following
Definition of fair casinos
A 'fair casino' is an online casino that:
Pays out all legitimate winnings
Doesn't have any unfair clauses in their Terms and Conditions (T&Cs) (more on this later in the article)
Doesn't use any deceitful practices to trick players
Enforces restricted countries (doesn’t allow players from them to create an account or play from a restricted country) and restricted bonuses (only gives bonuses to eligible players)
5. Restricted countries
The casino's point of view
Whenever someone from a restricted country registers, these casinos allow them to create an account, but only let them know about the restriction when they want to make a withdrawal. As long as a player is losing, the casino is OK with it, but as soon as the player wins and wants to withdraw money, they use the 'restricted countries' rule to decline the withdrawal and block the player's account.
This is, of course, extremely unfair, as players might register without knowing about the restrictions, and casinos are taking advantage of their mistake, often knowingly and intentionally.
If a player is able to access the casino's website, open the registration form, create an account, deposit and play, it's understandable that they assume that they are allowed to play at this casino.
Our position
It is not acceptable to let players gamble if a casino knows that they are from a restricted country
So if Casino Guru point of view is that it is not acceptable I am shocked that you still haven't asked Chipstars as to how the account form the UK was able to be opened. As I have stated previously I did NOT use a VPN and my IP address will have been from the UK, as were all of my registration details. The fact that they had the UK available on their drop down box of countries at registration would show that they were actively seeking UK customers.
Finally this is not a license dispute and I'm sure you are more than aware of that. Furthermore even if it was then the Curacao regulators as about as useful as a chocolate teapot. A Curacao license means no regulation at all.
I trust that you will now finally get in contact with chipstars as a complaints process has to involve all parties in the discussion. Up until now it would appear that despite overwhelming evidence I have provided you showing clear breaches of chipstars T&Cs, manipulated to their advantage you don't seem to want to find out why they have done this.
in answer to the question "why did you even register there if you did see that they do not have a UKG license?"
I am a severe disordered gambler and am signed up to gamstop which preevnts me from opened accoutns at any genuine UK accepting bookmakers. Chipstars were/are actively marketing for UK gambling addicts. just google chipstars and non gamstop to see this!!
I look forward to yours and chipstars replies
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