Good morning,

I played in a rather strange casino. I'd like someone to help me figure out if the casino really exists or if it's a fake. Although it has a license number, I don't think it belongs to you.

Casino

Bet4up.com

Bom dia,

Joguei num casino um pouco estranho. Gostava de ter ajuda de alguém para perceber se o casino existe mesmo ou se é fake. Apesar de ter número de licen?a, acredito que n?o lhe pertence.

Casino

Bet4up.com

Good day to you!

Frankly, this casino seems to be unknown to us, so I have no inside information about this site. Of course I will inform our Data Team and ask for the review to get scheduled. Sadly, such action usually takes about two weeks or so. As a start, could you explain what seems to be so suspicious about this site?

I just find it rather familiar, based on its design, but that's just my impression.

Good morning,

because I was offered a 1000$ registration bonus first hand... which they said was a vip bonus.

As I have vip accounts in some casinos, I wasn't surprised... Sometimes invitations like that happen.

I completed the wager and got 12k$... Impressively, all the slots paid out!

As soon as I completed the wager, I was told that to withdraw I needed to deposit 100$ so that my account would be fully verified. I made the deposit 1x... as it was in crypto they said that the conversion would only give 99.89$ and I would have to make a new deposit because the system only recognized 100$. I then made a new deposit with a large margin... As soon as I made the deposit, they said, my account would be fully verified and I could withdraw all my funds....

As soon as I deposited, my account was verified! but another "article" came in, since I had more than 2k... I had to deposit 500$ to become a premium player!!! only then could I withdraw the 12k! obviously I didn't deposit anymore. the solution they gave me was to wait 30 days to become a premium player and I had to have less than 2k to be able to withdraw... the 12k could only be withdrawn if I deposited the 500$. I lowered my balance to 1900 and I'm now waiting 30 days to become a premium player. I didn't want to risk depositing more money. I found the whole thing VERY strange.

Bom dia,

porque me foi oferecido logo em primeira mao um bonus de 1000$ de registo... que disseram que era um vip bonus.

como tenho contas vip em alguns casinos, nem estranhei... Por vexes acontecem convites desses.

Completei o wager e fiquei com 12k$... Impressionantemente todas as slots pagavam!

Assim que completei o wager, foi-me dito que para levantar precisava de depositar 100$ para que a minha conta fosse totalmente verificada. fiz o depósito 1x... como era em cripto disseram que a convers?o só dava 99.89$ e teria de fazer um novo deposito porque o sistema só reconhecia os 100$. fiz ent?o novo deposito com uma grande margem... Assim que fizesse o depsoito, disseram eles, a minha conta ficava totalmente verificada e poderia levantar a totalidade dos meus fundos....

assim que depositei a conta ficou verificada! só que entram outro "artigo" uma vez que tinha mais de 2k... tinha de depositar 500$ para que passasse a jogador premium!! só assim conseguia levantar os 12k! obviamente já n?o depositei mais. a solu??o que me deram foi aguardar 30 dias para passar a jogador premium e tinha de ter menos de 2k para poder levantar... os 12k só poderia levantar se depositasse os 500$. Baixei o saldo para 1900 e neste momento aguardo os 30 dias para passar a jogador premium. N?o quis arriscar depositar mais dinheiro. achei tudo isto MUITO estranho.

I'm sorry to tell you this but these are scammers, you will never see your money. I received that kind of offers too but i didn't deposit and i noticed while playing that slots seemed rigged and paid a lot way more than usually. What casino can offer 1000 dollars to sign up for free, they will go bankrupt. When it seems too good to be true, then it certainly isn't. You lost your money my dear, you should have informed yourself before.

Guys don't play anymore with bonus because all sites if you play with bonus you will regret. Me I deposit in betzino and give me the bonus without wanted was automatically and for 18 euro of bonus I lost 87000 because say me that I play to much with the bonus so casino give me only 5000 saying that it for goodwill . All the bonus it scam

I agree, these are most likely scammers.

Согласен это скорее всего мошенники

Do you have your withdrawal now from this site?

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Oh my!

I agree with what has been said. I follow simple logic because I'm not familiar with the casino, but still:

Which site offers 1000 bucks for registration and also a sort of VIP level up from the start? I would be very hesitant to believe that.

The conversation and the necessity of the second deposit are much higher than neccessary value, which sounds quite suspicious too

Why do you need to deposit an additional amount to become a "premium" user if you already have VIP status?

How come you suddenly may become a premium player after 30 days?

Well, this is all so untransparent; I would not send any money without a detailed explanation of any event associated with the withdrawals.

Hey. Thank you for the list. I will check with our data team and see which one we don't have on our list yet. ??

Do you already play at any of them?

I have played at all of them, they are typical n1/damaNV/hollycornNV casinos, everything is top notch and there were no problems anywhere, as far as I know even all welcome bonuses have no max cashout

Hab bei allen schon gespielt, sind typische n1/damaNV/hollycornNV casinos, alles top und es gab nirgendwo probleme, soweit ich weiss sind sogar alle willkommensboni ohne max cashout

Nice to hear.

I have already informed our data team about them, so hopefully soon they will be able to prepare the full review of them.

We just need to be patient a bit as we experience high volume of new casinos coming in.

Is it really that the bonuses don't have any maximum cash out? Are they some deposit ones, though?

I mean that the welcome bonuses [for example 100% bonus] have no maximum cashout, or maybe one of €5000. But I think that's very fair, there are actually some casinos that have a maximum cashout of 10x the amount deposited, imagine you win a lot of money and then you can only pay out 10x, well... I would never want to play in such casinos

Ich meine das die willkommensboni [zum beispiel 100%bonus] keinen max cashout haben, oder eventuell einen von 5000€. was ich aber sehr fair finde, es gibt ja tats?chlich einige casinos die einen maximalen cashout von 10x der eingezahlten summe haben, stellen sie sich vor sie gewinnen viel geld und k?nnten dann nur das 10x fache auszahlen, also... ich würde niemals in solchen casinos spielen wollen

That's nonsense, I've seen even less ???♂?

Das ist Bl?dsinn, ich habe noch weniger gesehen ???♂?

Yeah, but that means 10x the amount that you play with the bonus as well. The bonus gives you a better chance to win. Isn't that right???

Let's say you deposit $20 and they give you another $20, and then you can withdraw $200. Well, I would be pretty happy with that. ??

It is, of course, just my opinion. Right?

I understand what you mean, but you have to wager this "gifted" amount around 35x-40x, which isn't always easy... Personally, I would never play at such casinos, I made the mistake once and they took €4000 from me, which is obviously very annoying.

Ich verstehe was sie meinen, aber sie müssen diesen "Geschenkten" betrag um die 35x-40x mal umsetzen, das ist auch nicht unbedingt immer einfach... Ich pers?nlich würde niemals auf solchen casinos spielen, ich hab einmal den fehler gemacht und mir wurden dann 4000€ weggenommen, sowas ist natürlich sehr ?rgerlich.

So it actually has a wagering requirement.

In that case, I would normally say I would skip the offer. On the other hand, as far as I'm familiar with the usual wagering multipliers, 40x have become quite a standard these days.

What do you think?

I'm usually having quite a hard time finding a reasonable bonus with wagering lower than 35x ??

Many bonuses I come across, focused especially on the US market, state 60x or more! That's insane for me.

Well, personally I often use welcome bonuses with a wager, I agree with you that most casinos nowadays have a wagering requirement of 40x, but I think that if you have to meet such a high wager, you can at least cash out everything at the end and not just a small amount of 5x-10x the bonus received, but that's just my opinion. ??

The "Gammix" casinos of the time often had a wager of only 25x bonus or a maximum of 30x... But such low wagers are becoming increasingly rare.

Also, ich pers?nlich nutze oft willkommensboni mit einem wager, ich gebe dir in dem punkt recht dass die meisten casinos heutzutage eine wettanforderung von 40x haben, ich finde aber wenn man schon so einen hohen wager erfüllen muss, dass man wenigstens am ende alles auszahlen kann und nicht nur einen kleinen betrag von 5x-10x den erhaltenen bonus, das ist aber auch nur meine ansicht. ??

Die damaligen "Gammix" casinos hatten oft einen wager von nur 25x bonus oder maximal 30x... Aber solche niedrigen wager werden immer seltener.

And can you find them still at these casinos even now, though???

No, it's a different casino.

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