Tack b?da f?r era svar och ytterligare information.
Nu skulle jag vilja sammanfatta de insamlade fakta och ge dig en f?rklaring:
- ?ven om vi f?rs?ker uppdatera v?ra recensioner regelbundet och h?lla informationen uppdaterad, i v?r stora databas med flera tusen onlinekasinorecensioner, ?r det om?jligt att ha all information korrekt; i den h?r branschen och med tanke p? kasinons webbsidor som snabbt f?r?ndras dagligen (liksom deras T&C), skulle vi beh?va uppdatera alla recensioner varje dag, vilket inte ?r tekniskt m?jligt
- Begr?nsade l?nder f?r Joo Casino p? www.kpvfaw.com uppdaterades nyligen av v?rt datateam, s? nu b?r det inte visa Kina eller Hongkong som accepterade l?ngre; den senaste fullst?ndiga granskningsuppdateringen gjordes dock f?r en tid sedan, och d? var l?nderna i fr?ga inte d?r, vilket inneb?r att f?r?ndringen m?ste ske under de senaste veckorna/m?naderna
- Det ?r den sanna och korrekta informationen att - kasinot har Kina/Hong Kong tydligt angett i sina regler och villkor som begr?nsade l?nder, varje spelare ?r skyldig att l?sa reglerna innan de accepterar dem, och kasinot ?r inte ansvarigt f?r eventuell felaktig information om Tredje parts forum
- ? andra sidan b?r kasinots regler, s?rskilt om vi pratar om l?nder med begr?nsningar eller bonusar, genomdrivas av dess system eller mjukvara, och spelare med begr?nsningar ska inte till?tas registrera sig alls, vilket vi f?rklarar mer i detalj i v?r m?ssa Gambling Codex
- Om spelaren lyckades registrera/s?tta in/spela bara tack vare att han d?ljer sin riktiga plats (VPN), f?r?ndras situationen avsev?rt
K?ra Joo Casino Team ,
Vi f?rst?r att varje fall ?r unikt och vi f?rs?ker ?verv?ga dem individuellt fr?n fall till fall. Men i den h?r situationen m?ste vi st? p? spelarens sida och h?lla med honom om att det inte skiljer sig mycket fr?n ett annat klagom?l han h?nvisade till.
Oavsett vilken information han hittade p? v?r hemsida innan uppdateringen av de begr?nsade l?nderna ?ndrar det i princip inte det faktum att han borde ha hindrats fr?n att registrera sig p? casinot.
Detta ?r en del av den inledande delen av v?r Fair Gambling Codex :
" Definition av r?ttvisa kasinon
Ett "r?ttvist kasino" ?r ett onlinecasino som:
- Betalar ut alla legitima vinster
- Har inga or?ttvisa klausuler i sina allm?nna villkor (T&C) (mer om detta senare i artikeln)
- Anv?nder inga bedr?gliga metoder f?r att lura spelare
- Genomf?r begr?nsade l?nder (till?ter inte spelare fr?n dem att skapa ett konto eller spela fr?n ett begr?nsat land) och begr?nsade bonusar (ger bara bonusar till kvalificerade spelare) "
L?s g?rna mer om v?r inst?llning ang?ende de begr?nsade l?nderna och bonusar i avsnitt 6 och 7 i samma artikel.
Baserat p? ovan angivna, och att misstaget gjordes p? casinots sida, vill vi rekommendera casinot att ompr?va sitt beslut i fr?gan och betala ut spelarens legitima vinster.
Men om det ?r n?got som jag f?rbisett och som kan f?r?ndra situationen f?r du g?rna korrigera mig. Till?t det n?mnda tekniska felet spelare fr?n b?da begr?nsade platserna (Kina/Hong Kong) att registrera sig/s?tta in/spela i kasinot, eller till?t det bara spelare fr?n en av platserna i fr?ga att g?ra det?
Jag kan se att spelaren gav oss sk?rmdumparna med information om "Kina accepterat" endast fr?n v?r hemsida och att han kunde v?lja detta land vid registrering. Men i sitt f?rsta inl?gg n?mnde han ocks? att han var tvungen att anv?nda en Hong Kong VPN f?r att komma ?t webbplatsen. Bor han direkt i Hong Kong enligt de personuppgifter som fylldes i vid registreringen? Om inte, var det tekniska felet bara relaterat till Hong Kong, s? spelaren skulle inte ha f?tt registrera sig om han anv?nde sin ursprungliga IP (Kina) f?r att komma ?t kasinowebbplatsen? Anv?nde han Hong Kong IP f?r att kringg? kasinots begr?nsning? Om s? ?r fallet, kan du bevisa det p? n?got s?tt? Om inte, och det spelade ingen roll fr?n vilken plats han gick in p? webbplatsen och han skulle ha f?tt registrera sig i alla fall fr?n Kina, kan kasinot ompr?va sitt beslut efter v?r rekommendation?
Thank you both for your replies and additional information.
Now I would like to summarize the gathered facts and provide you with an explanation:
- Although we try to update our reviews regularly and keep the data up-to-date, in our big database of several thousands of online casino reviews, it is impossible to have all the information correct; in this industry and considering fast-changing casinos' websites on a daily basis (as well as their T&Cs), we would have to update all reviews every day, which is not technically possible
- Restricted countries for Joo Casino on www.kpvfaw.com were updated recently by our Data Team, so now, it should not show China or Hong Kong as accepted anymore; however, the last complete review update was done some time ago, and at that time, the countries in questions were not there, which means the change had to take place during in the last few weeks/months
- It is the true and correct information that - the casino has China/Hong Kong clearly stated in its Terms and Conditions as restricted countries, each player is obliged to read the rules before accepting them, and the casino is not liable for any incorrect information on 3rd party forums
- On the other side, the casino's rules, especially if we are talking about restricted countries or bonuses, should be enforced by its system or software, and restricted players should not be allowed to register at all, which we explain in more detail in our Fair Gambling Codex
- If the player managed to register/deposit/play only thanks to hiding his real location (VPN), it significantly changes the situation
Dear Joo Casino Team,
We understand that each case is unique, and we try to consider them individually case by case. However, in this situation, we have to side with the player and agree with him that it does not differ a lot from another complaint he referred to.
Regardless of the information he found on our website before the restricted countries update, it basically does not change the fact that he should have been prevented from registering at the casino.
This is a part of the introductory section of our Fair Gambling Codex:
"Definition of fair casinos
A 'fair casino' is an online casino that:
- Pays out all legitimate winnings
- Doesn't have any unfair clauses in their Terms and Conditions (T&Cs) (more on this later in the article)
- Doesn't use any deceitful practices to trick players
- Enforces restricted countries (doesn’t allow players from them to create an account or play from a restricted country) and restricted bonuses (only gives bonuses to eligible players)"
Feel free to read more about our attitude regarding the restricted countries and bonuses in sections 6 and 7 of the same article.
Based on the above stated, and that the mistake was made on the casino's side, we would like to recommend the casino reconsider its decision in the matter and pay out the player's legitimate winnings.
However, in case there is anything that I overlooked and that could change the situation, feel free to correct me. Did the mentioned technical malfunction allow players from both restricted locations (China/Hong Kong) to register/deposit/play in the casino, or did it allow players only from one of the locations in question to do it?
I can see that the player provided us with the screenshots with "China accepted" information only from our website and that he was able to choose this country upon registration. But, in his first post, he also mentioned that he had to use a Hong Kong VPN to access the website. Does he reside directly in Hong Kong according to the personal data filled out upon registration? If not, was the technical malfunction related only to Hong Kong, so the player would not have been allowed to register if he used his original IP (China) to access the casino website? Did he use Hong Kong IP to bypass the casino's restriction? If so, can you prove it somehow? If not, and it did not matter from which location he accessed the website and he would have been allowed to register anyway from China, is the casino please able to reconsider its decision following our recommendation?
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