Hej Petronela,
Stort tack f?r ditt snabba svar. Jag f?rst?r fullt ut varf?r KYC-processen ?r s? viktig f?r kasinon och gjorde mitt b?sta f?r att f?lja och tillhandah?lla allt de bad om. Jag har slutf?rt den h?r processen p? sportsbooks och andra kasinon, utan problem som detta. F?r jag fr?ga om du kunde se e-postmeddelandena jag skickade till kasinot som jag laddade upp som bilagor med mitt klagom?l? De ger ett visst sammanhang.
Mitt konto var helt verifierat innan min f?rsta uttagsbeg?ran slutf?rdes. Jag laddade upp mitt ID och adressbevis och allt var normalt och mitt f?rsta uttag betalades ut utan problem.
N?r n?sta beg?ran om uttag p? €500 avvisades kontaktade jag dem och de bad om ett kontoutdrag f?r kontot jag tog ut till, f?r att bevisa att det var mitt (min f?rsta €190 ins?ttning var med USDT kryptovaluta). ?ven om det verkade konstigt eftersom det inte var n?got problem f?r det f?rsta uttaget, skickade jag ett uttalande till dem men tyv?rr skulle de fortfarande inte behandla det andra uttaget p? €500. De uppgav aldrig varf?r de v?grade att betala ut vid det h?r laget utan gjorde bara en ny beg?ran . De kr?vde sedan en sk?rmdump av mina kryptotransaktioner under de senaste 30 dagarna. Medan jag trodde att detta var p?tr?ngande, resonerade jag att det var OK eftersom det h?r var min ins?ttningsmetod s? jag skickade dem den n?dv?ndiga sk?rmdumpen. Men detta accepterades inte heller trots att det var vad de hade bett om. De ?ndrade sedan beg?ran till kryptotransaktioner f?r de senaste 30 dagarna i PDF-form. De visste att jag blev frustrerad men vid det h?r laget sa de definitivt att detta var den sista beg?ran och att mina vinster skulle betalas ut om jag skickade in den - vilket jag gjorde. De avvisade det ett par g?nger och br?kade om formateringen i PDF:en (jag skickade dem en PDF genererad av kryptob?rsen Coinbase, d?r jag hade skickat USDT fr?n f?r min ins?ttning), jag f?ljde fortfarande varje beg?ran tills de helt enkelt slutade g?r n?got f?rs?k att f?rklara varf?r de f?rkastade det. Vid det h?r laget b?rjade deras live-personal bli ganska of?rsk?md, avvisande och b?rjade avsluta livechattar eller helt enkelt inte svara. Jag f?rs?kte fr?ga dem varf?r det inte accepterades och vad som m?ste g?ras f?r att f? mina vinster och de f?rs?kte i huvudsak bryta all meningsfull kontakt vid denna tidpunkt. Jag fortsatte med att kontakta deras livechatt, och det var som att dra i t?nder f?r att f?rs?ka f? n?gon form av meningsfull respons. Sedan lade jag m?rke till ett meddelande p? mitt casinokonto som l?ser "V?nligen ladda upp kontoutdrag f?r oktober fr?n kontot som du har k?pt krypto med". De kontaktade mig aldrig f?r att s?ga detta, om jag inte hade checkat in manuellt p? mitt konto hade jag inte sett det, trots att jag hade en aktiv beg?ran om uttag. Vid det h?r laget blev jag v?ldigt tr?tt p? kasinot eftersom jag k?nde att de hittade p? det allt eftersom. Jag var orolig ?ver om jag skulle f?lja denna beg?ran. Jag hade bara satt in 190 € p? kasinot och jag k?nde att deras beg?ran var obefogad och allt tydde p? att de helt enkelt inte ville betala ut mina vinster. Dessutom var mitt f?rtroende f?r detta casino nu obefintligt eftersom de sl?ngde mig med ungef?r 4-5 g?nger. Men jag best?mde mig f?r att skicka den. Men efter att ha pratat med familjemedlemmar, och min bank, som avr?dde det, best?mde jag mig f?r att skicka dem ett delvis redigerat kontoutdrag som visade min ins?ttning till Coinbase det datum jag gick med i Vinyl Casino (om jag minns r?tt, var ins?ttning med kort inte jobbar inte p? dagen). Jag tyckte att detta var rimligt eftersom det l?nkade mitt bankkonto till mitt Coinbase-konto.
Jag hade nu tillhandah?llit bevis p? ID, adress, ?gande av mitt bankkonto, ?gande av kryptopl?nboken som deponerade pengarna till kasinot och transaktionshistoriken de bad om p? min kryptopl?nbok och bevis p? att jag hade finansierat kryptopl?nboken med mitt eget bankkonto. Men till ingen nytta. De kr?vde att jag skulle skicka helt oredigerade kontoutdrag inklusive orelaterade till kasinot. Jag hade redan f?rklarat f?r dem att jag var v?ldigt obekv?m med det h?r.
Sedan dess har jag l?rt mig att kasinon har rutiner f?r att verifiera "k?lla till medel", men jag tycker inte att det ?r en rimlig beg?ran f?r en spelare som har gjort en ins?ttning till kasinot. Dessutom sa de aldrig att de bad om att jag skulle bevisa "finansieringsk?lla". Jag k?nde att de inte skulle betala mig och f?rs?kte kr?nka mig genom att samla in s? mycket data om mig som m?jligt, samtidigt som de inte kommunicerade p? n?got rimligt s?tt.
Jag uppskattar att tidslinjen f?r varje interaktion inte finns d?r, men jag har tyv?rr inte Live Chat-utskrifterna och jag m?ste g?ra mitt b?sta f?r att ?terkalla var och en av deras f?rfr?gningar i r?tt ordning. F?rutom att jag inte f?r mina pengar, vilket jag tycker ?r totalt oacceptabelt, ?r jag best?rt ?ver deras allm?nna ton och hemska attityd i deras (begr?nsade) kommunikation med mig.
Hi Petronela,
Many thanks for your quick response. I fully understand why the KYC process is so important for casinos and did my best to comply and provide everything they asked for. I've completed this process on sportsbooks and other casinos, with no problems like this. Can I ask if you were able to see the emails I sent to the casino which I uploaded as attachments with my complaint? They provide some context.
My account was fully verified before my first withdrawal request was completed. I uploaded my ID and Proof of Address and everything was normal and my first withdrawal was paid out with no issue.
When the next request for withdrawal of €500 was rejected, I contacted them and they asked for a bank statement for the account I was withdrawing to, to prove it was mine (My initial €190 deposit was with USDT cryptocurrency). Even though it seemed strange since this was no issue for the first withdrawal, I sent them a statement but unfortunately they still wouldn't process the second withdrawal of €500. They never stated why they were refusing to pay out at this point but just made another request. They then demanded a screenshot of my crypto transactions for the last 30 days. While I thought this was intrusive, I reasoned that it was OK because this was my deposit method so I sent them the required screenshot. However this was also not accepted despite it being what they had asked for. They then changed the request to crypto transactions for the past 30 days in PDF form. They knew I was growing frustrated but at this point they definitively stated that this was the last request and that my winnings would be paid out if I submitted it - which I did. They rejected it a couple of times, arguing about the formatting within the PDF (I was sending them a PDF generated by the crypto exchange Coinbase, where I had sent the USDT from for my deposit), I still followed each request until they simply stopped making any attempt to explain why they were rejecting it. At this point, their live staff was becoming pretty rude, dismissive and began terminating live chats or simply not responding. I attempted to ask them why it wasn't accepted and what needs to be done to get my winnings and they essentially tried to break off any meaningful contact at this point. I persisted in contacting their live chat, and it was like pulling teeth trying to get any sort of meaningful response. Then I noticed a message within my casino account that read "Please upload bank statement for October from the account with which you have bought crypto". They never contacted me to say this, if I hadn't have checked manually in my account I wouldn't have seen it, despite me having active withdrawal request. At this point, I became very weary of the casino because I felt that they were making it up as they went along. I agonized over whether to comply with this request. I'd only ever deposited €190 to the casino and I felt their request was unwarranted and everything suggested that they simply didn't want to pay my winnings out. Also, my trust for this casino was now non existent since they strung me along about 4-5 times. However, I decided I'd send it. However, after talking with family members, and my bank, who advised against it, I decided to send them a partially redacted bank statement that showed my deposit to Coinbase on the date I joined Vinyl Casino (If I recall correctly, depositing by card wasn't working on the day). I thought this was reasonable as it linked my bank account to my Coinbase account.
I'd now provided proof of ID, address, ownership of my bank account, ownership of the crypto wallet that deposited the money to the casino and the transaction history they asked for on my crypto wallet, and evidence that I had funded the crypto wallet with my own bank account. But, to no avail. They demanded I send completely unredacted bank statements including unrelated to the casino. I'd already explained to them that I was very uncomfortable with this.
Since then, I have learned that casinos have procedures to verify "source of funds", however I don't feel that is a reasonable request for a player who has made one deposit to the casino. Also, they never said they were asking for me to prove "source of funds". I felt like they weren't going to pay me and were trying to violate me by gathering as much data about me as possible, all while not communicating in any reasonable way.
I appreciate that the timeline for each interaction isn't there, but I do not have the Live Chat transcripts unfortunately, and I am having to do my best to recall each of their requests in the correct order. Apart from not receiving my money, which I think is totally unacceptable, I am appalled by their general tone and terrible attitude in their (limited) communications with me.
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