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Dobro ve?e svima,
Pratim ovu temu ve? neko vreme i ?elim da podelim svoju pri?u i ?ta se trenutno de?ava.
Tako?e su me prevarili slede?i ljudi i prevarili me govore?i da to nije fer igra.
d?etbet
Donbet
Majstejk
Goldenbet
Koji su sve ista rulja lopova.
Bio sam na GamStop-u 5 godina, a pre oko 12 meseci sam po?eo da koristim ovo (glupo)
?ak sam osvojio 150.000 funti na jednoj od njih, ali nikada nisam video da mi se novac vra?a, a zabranili su mi igru rekav?i da sam prekr?io njihove uslove i odredbe (sve preko ?askanja u?ivo), tako da nikada nisam video svoj dobitak.
Jo? jedan, osvojio sam 50.000 evra da bi mi rekli da mogu da podi?em 2000 evra nedeljno! Potro?io sam vi?e od toga te nedelje! Ozbiljni prevaranti, gore navedeno i jo? mnogo toga. Mnogima je ?Tom" slao poruke i zvao ih je kao ?to sam ja.
Dakle, vreme je da i ja uzvratim udarac. Ve?bao sam ovog vikenda, od pre 9 meseci sam im platio 144 transakcije u ukupnom iznosu od 51.786,20 funti preko slede?ih dobavlja?a pla?anja tre?ih strana, a ovo je moj Revolut nalog, jo? nisam ni oti?ao u HSBC...
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Osporio/la sam transakcije na Revolut aplikaciji i sve vi?e njih se vra?a kao
Odbijeno jer sam koristio aplikaciju za potvrdu transakcija ili otkazano jer nisam dokazao da sam kontaktirao trgovca.
Neki su jo? uvek u vazduhu kao na ?ekanju.
Danas sam kontaktirao finansijskog ombudsmana da pokrenem stvari sa te strane jer iz Revoluta ka?u da su odbijenice kona?no odbijene.
Evo teksta koji sam ulo?io u podnesak finansijskom ombudsmanu
?Imam problem sa kockanjem od malih nogu i borim se sa tim celog ?ivota."
Bio sam samoisklju?en iz onlajn igara, me?utim, stalno sam vi?ao onlajn reklame za kazina koja su zaobi?la samoisklju?enje GameStop-a i po?eo sam da ih koristim krajem pro?le godine, ?to mi je dovelo do gubitka od 51.786,20 funti.
Oni koriste procesore pla?anja tre?ih strana kako bi zaobi?li blokadu za kockanje Revolut, a tako?e i Gamstop.
Sajtovi su slede?i
D?etbet
Majstejk
Donbet
Goldenbet
Svi su oni isti ljudi.
Vi?e puta sam tra?io da me samoisklju?e sa tih sajtova, a oni me ne slu?aju i samo dodaju bonuse na ra?un.
Komunikacija sa njima se uvek odvija preko njihovog servisa za ?askanje u?ivo.
?ak sam osvojio 150.000 funti na jednom od sajtova (mystake). Upravo su mi zatvorili nalog, a preko ?askanja u?ivo su mi rekli da sam prekr?io njihove uslove i odredbe, stoga su mi dobici oduzeti, a nalog zatvoren. Sve kod njih je preko ?askanja u?ivo.
Istra?ivao sam ovo i oni kr?e pravila Vise i Masterkarda koriste?i razli?ite kodove za pla?anja koriste?i ove tre?e strane kao na?in pla?anja. ?el kompanije
Sve je ovo potpuna prevara.
Poku?ao/la sam da vratim novac preko Revolut-a (molimo pogledajte imejl koji su mi poslali) i oni odbijaju.
Ni u jednom trenutku od otvaranja mog Revolut naloga nisu doveli u pitanje ove transakcije ili takvu potro?nju. ?askanje u?ivo je isklju?eno na mom nalogu i ne mogu ?ak ni da razgovaram ni sa kim u Revolut-u o ovome.
Jedan moj dobar prijatelj, koji je advokat, savetovao mi je da vas kontaktiram jer su transakcije la?ne i Revolut je trebalo bar da se raspita ?ta se de?ava.
Tako?e mi je uklju?ena njihova blokada za kockanje u ovom trenutku,
Ne mo?ete pobediti u ovim kazinima jer vam ne?e platiti.
Nemaju licencu i ponovo kr?e zakon zaobilaze?i sisteme pla?anja.
Uklju?io sam izvod sa Revoluta, sve transakcije su one koje su za $ €, a neke su za £
Jasno je videti koji su to.
I uklju?io sam moju izjavu sa Revoluta.
OVO je veoma zanimljiv ?lanak napisan 25. aprila ove godine...
?ta neobanke i dobavlja?i pla?anja moraju da urade
Nije opciono — obavezno je:
Identifikujte i blokirajte pla?anja ilegalnim trgovcima kockanjem
Pratite pona?anje kupaca zbog rizi?nih obrazaca
Odmah prijavite sumnjive aktivnosti
Prekinite odnose sa klijentima koji zloupotrebljavaju va?u platformu
Automatizovane provere MCC-a (Merchant Category Code - kod kategorije trgovca) vi?e nisu dovoljne. Sofisticirani prevaranti prikrivaju svoje poslovanje. Ako va?i sistemi za uskla?enost ne mogu da ih otkriju, cela va?a platforma je izlo?ena.
Nisam protiv legitimnih sajtova za kockanje , pre?ao sam sa Gamstopa i sada koristim Kvif, ?to je jednak uslov za sve i dobar sajt i usluga!
Ovi buba?vabe nisu legitimni i nikada ne?ete pobediti.
Good evening all,
I have followed this thread a while and want to put my story across and what is now happening.
I've also been scammed by the following and scammed as saying it's not a fair playing field.
jettbet
Donbet
Mystake
Goldenbet
Which are all the same mob of crooks.
I was on GamStop for 5 years and about 12 months ago I started using these (stupidly)
I even won £150,000 off one of them, to never see the money return to me and they banned me saying I had broken their terms and conditions (all on live chat) so never saw my winnings.
Another one I won 50,000 Euro to be told I can take out 2000 Euro a week! I'd spent more than that in that week! Serious scam artists the above and more. Many will have had 'Tom' messaging and calling them like I have.
So it's time for me to fight back also. I have worked out this weekend since 9 months ago I've paid them 144 transactions totalling £51,786.20p through the following 3rd party payment providers as follows and this is my Revolut account, I've not even gone to HSBC yet....
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I have disputed the transactions on the Revolut app and more and more keep coming back as either
Declined because I used the app to confirm the transactions or cancelled because I have not proven contacting the merchant.
Some are still in the air as pending.
I have contacted the Financial Ombudsman today to get the ball rolling on that side because Revolut say the rejections are final declined.
Here is the txt I put into the submission to the Financial Ombudsman
'I have had a problem with gambling since a young age and have battled it all my life.
I was self excluded from online gaming however I kept seeing online adverts for casinos that got around the GameStop self exclusion and began to use them late last year that has run me up £ 51,786.20p in losses.
They use third party payment processors to get around the Revolut gambling block and also around Gamstop.
The sites are as follows
Jettbet
Mystake
Donbet
Goldenbet
They are all the same people.
I have requested time and time again to self exclude me from those sites and they do not listen and just put bonuses in the account.
The communication with them is always on their live chat service.
I even won £150,000 on one of the sites (mystake) they just closed my account and live chat said I had broken their terms and conditions therefore my winnings are forfeited and the account is closed. Everything with them is live chat.
I have researched into this and they are breaking the visa and Mastercard rules by using different codes for payments using these third parties as payment. Shell companies
This is all a complete scam.
I have tried to charge back with Revolut (please see email they sent me) and they are refusing to.
At no point since opening my Revolut account have they questioned these transactions or such spending. Live chat is turned off on my account and I cannot even speak to anyone at Revolut regarding this.
A good friend of mine who is a Lawyer has advised me to contact yourselves as the transactions are fraudulent and Revolut should have questioned at least what was going on.
I also has their gambling lock on at this time,
You cannot win off these casinos because they will not pay you.
They have no license and again are breaking the law by bypassing the payment systems.
I have included the Revolut statement, all the transactions are those which are for $ € and some are for £
It’s clear to see which ones they are.'
And included my Revolut statement.
THIS is a very interesting article written 25th April this year....
What Neobanks and Payment Providers Must Do
It’s not optional — it’s mandatory:
Identify and block payments to illegal gambling merchants
Monitor customer behavior for risky patterns
Report suspicious activities immediately
Terminate relationships with clients who abuse your platform
Automated MCC (Merchant Category Code) checks aren’t enough anymore. Sophisticated fraudsters disguise their operations. If your compliance systems can’t detect them, your entire platform is exposed.
I am not against legitimate gambling sites, I've come off Gamstop and use Kwiff now, which is a level playing field and a good site and service!
These cockroaches are not legitimate and you will never win.
Zatim sam poslao imejl Revolutu i ??u vezi sa kontaktom i sa ?albama.
?Dragi Revolut,"
Nadam se da ste dobro zatekli ovu e-po?tu.
Izgleda da ?askanje u?ivo ne radi na mojoj aplikaciji, tako da je ovo jedini na?in na koji sam smislio da razgovaram sa vama.
Bio sam ?rtva prevarnih kazina koja su ilegalna i sa sedi?tem u Ju?noj Americi koja nemaju licencu.
Pla?anja koja sam izvr?io su preko mog Revolut naloga u iznosu od 51.786,20 funti, sa 144 transakcije ka 21 la?noj kompaniji tre?e strane kako bi se zaobi?lo ono ?to rade. Lista je prilo?ena uz ovu e-po?tu ?trgovaca".
Mislim da sam pokrenuo povra?aj sredstava za skoro sve ove transakcije, me?utim, stalno dobijam imejlove u kojima pi?e ?spor odbijen" i da je slu?aj u osnovi zatvoren.
Tako?e sam danas kontaktirao finansijskog ombudsmana, pogledajte i po?etni veb obrazac koji sam popunio u prilogu.
Kori??enje tre?e strane za obradu ovih transakcija je nezakonito, sajtovi su ilegalni i nelicencirani i stoga bi trebalo da budem za?ti?en imitacijom povra?aja sredstava.
?tavi?e, Revolut nikada nije doveo u pitanje ove uplate koje sam vr?io (kojih je mnogo)
?eleo bih da se pokrenu povra?aji sredstava za sve te uplate navedenim tre?im stranama za obradu.
Ne ?elim da finansijski ombudsman ovo re?ava, vi?e bih voleo da vi to uradite, me?utim, i to sam pokrenuo i oni imaju liste i izjave koje vi sada imate.
Molim vas pogledajte ovaj skora?nji ?lanak od kraja aprila https://www.finextra.com/blogposting/28365/neobanks-pay-attention-illegal-gambling-payments-could-sink-you koji razja?njava ono ?to govorim.
Ako se transakcije refundiraju i novac se vrati na moj ra?un, nije potrebna nikakva druga radnja.
Razgovarao sam sa advokatom, dobrim prijateljem koji me savetuje po ovom pitanju i rekao mi je da ove ilegalne veb stranice za kockanje tako?e finansiraju kriminal i terorizam.
Nadam se da ?e se ova situacija re?iti prijateljski i ?to je pre mogu?e.
Srda?an pozdrav
I have then emailed Revolut on both contact and complaints this email
'Dear Revolut,
I hope this email finds you well.
Live chat does not seem to be working on my application so this is the only way I thought to speak with yourselves.
I have been the victim of scam Casinos that are illegal and based off South America that are not licenced.
The payments I have made are through my Revolut account to the sum of £51,786.20p with 144 transactions to 21 third party fake companies to bypass what they are doing. The list is enclosed with this email of the ‘merchants’
I have initiated chargebacks on nearly all of these transactions I believe however I keep getting emails saying ‘dispute declined’ and case closed basically.
I have also touched base with the Financial Ombudsman today also please see the initial web submission form I filled in enclosed also.
Using third party to process these transactions is illegal, the sites are illegal and unlicensed and therefore I should be protected under the chargeback imitation.
Furthermore Revolut have never once questioned these payments I have been making (which are a lot)
I would like chargebacks to be initiated on all of those payments to third party processors listed.
I don’t want to have the Financial Ombudsman to sort this out I’d rather you did however I’ve set that in motion also and they have the lists and statements you do now.
Please see this recent article from the end of April https://www.finextra.com/blogposting/28365/neobanks-pay-attention-illegal-gambling-payments-could-sink-you which clarifies what I am saying.
If the transactions are charged back and refunded to my account no other action is necessary.
I have spoken to a Lawyer a good friend of mine who is advising me on this matter and has advised me that these illegal gambling websites are also funding crime and terrorism.
I hope this situation can be resolved amicably and as soon as possible.
Kind Regards'
Zdravo dru?e, mo?e? da se ?ali? ovde da ti isplate 150.000 funti. Ako si u pravu, dobi?e? ih, prili?no su dobri ili koristi Casinomeister PAB (predlo?i ku?ku). Ne?e? daleko sti?i sa Revolut-om. Odneo sam svoj slu?aj FOS-u zbog odbijanja povra?aja sredstava.
Hi bud you can do a complaint on here to get your £150000 paid out if your in the right you will get it they are pretty good or use casinomeister PAB(pitch a bitch) complaint you will not get far with Revolut I have took my case to the FOS due to rejection of chargebacks
Zdravo Pavle,
Nema ?anse da sam poku?ao, ne?e ti isplatiti toliki iznos i samo ?e te banovati.
Ova rulja vodi sajtove potpuno ilegalno.
Dakle, ?elim svoj novac nazad sada.
I ja ?u ga dobiti.
I nadam se da ?e moja tvrdnja pomo?i drugima.
Hi Paul,
No chance I tried, they won't pay you out that sort of amount and just ban you.
This mob are running the sites completely illegally.
So I want my money back now.
And I shall get it also.
And hopefully my claim helps others.
U redu, ali ova stranica deluje kao podr?ka izme?u vas i kazina i stavlja se na crnu listu ako ne isplate, stvar je u tome ?to stranice koje pominjete imaju nizak nedeljni/mese?ni limit za povla?enje. Znam da je lako uhvatiti se u ko?tac, i sam sam bio tamo, ali mogu re?i da pla?amo samo pod uslovima.
Ok but this site acts as a support between you and the casino and it gets blacklisted if they do not pay out the thing is the sites you mention have a low weekly/monthly withdrawal limit as well I know its easy to get caught up ive been there myself but they can say we are only paying under the terms
Pole, jednostavno ne mo?e? pobediti sa njima. Tako su sve postavili.
Svi tvrdnje ovde protiv ovih sajtova su 100% validne.
Nikada nisam oti?ao u BetFred prodavnicu tra?e?i povra?aj novca, da se tako izrazim.
Nikada ne bih podneo tu?bu protiv Kvifa, ispla?uju u roku od nekoliko minuta, ako ne i slede?eg dana, bez ikakvih ograni?enja.
Ovi KRIMINALCI peraju novac, varaju ljude i mole se za ranjive ljude.
I ta?no je da se ovi ljudi, uklju?uju?i i mene, brane.
Paul, you simply cannot win with them. That is the way they set the whole thing up.
Everyone's claims on here against these sites are 100% valid
I've never gone into the BetFred shop asking for my money back put it that way.
Never would claim against Kwiff they pay out within minutes if not it's next day with no restrictions.
These CRIMINALS are money laundering, scamming people and praying on vulnerable people.
And it's correct that these people including myself fight back.
Jeste, ali neke banke mi ote?avaju da to uradim. Imam samo oko 1500 funti da izvr?im 4 transakcije, ali kada poku?am onlajn, banka ih odbija govore?i da ih zovem jer sam uradio previ?e, re?i?e se to na kraju.
Yes it is but some banks are making it hard to do it I only have about £1500 to chase 4 transactions but when I try online the bank rejects them saying to call them as ive done too many will sort it eventually..
pomenuti da finansira terorizam i me?unarodni kriminal.....
Koja finansijska institucija, kako im se to zove?
mention it's funding terrorism and international crime.....
What financial institution what's that on their name
Nema stvarnih dokaza za to, iako uvek tra?e dokaze. Ja sam jedan od onih koji su izgubili jer je moja banka rekla da nemam osnova, po?to sam dobio nov?i? u zamenu za svoj novac, ?ak i iako sam objasnio sve ?to nije u redu sa tim, njih nije briga. Sada kada je moj period povra?aja sredstava istekao, gotovo je kao da su se ?alili ?to ?alju pisma i da mi je potrebno vi?e dokaza svaki put kada poku?am druga?iji pristup, re?eno mi je da u osnovi uradim jedan. Jo? uvek imam vremena za fos, samo se ose?am tako razo?arano i ?uo sam da mi uop?te ne poma?u, pa ima li svrhe?
There's no actual proof of that tho they always ask for evidence I'm one who has lost out because my bank have said I have no grounds as I got coin in exchange for my money even tho I explained everything thats wrong with it they don't care. Now my chargeback time has ended it's almost like they were pissing about sending letters and more evidence needed every time I tried a different approach I was told basically to do one. I still have time for fos just I feel so let down and heard they are no help at all so is there any point.
Da li da odete kod finansijskog ombudsmana? Podnesite zahtev kod njih.
Mogli bismo ?ak i da uklju?imo vesti ovde, sada postaje ozbiljno.
Pogledaj ?lanak koji sam objavio...
Go to the financial ombudsman? start a claim with them.
We could even get the news involved here, it's getting serious now is this.
Look at the article I posted....
Besplatni profesionalni edukativni kursevi za zaposlene u online kazinima usmereni na najbolje prakse u industriji, pobolj?anje iskustva igra?a i po?ten pristup kockanju.
Inicijativu koju smo pokrenuli s ciljem stvaranja globalnog sistema samoisklju?enja, koji ?e omogu?iti ranjivim igra?ima da blokiraju pristup svim mogu?nostima online kockanja.
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Proverite svoj inboks i kliknite na link koji smo Vam poslali:
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