Zajedno sa na?om metodologijom recenzija, mi smo izra?unali Sigurnosni indeks kazina baziran na vi?e od 20 faktora, uklju?uju?i finansije, fer Uslove i pravila, prigovore igra?a i drugo. ?to je vi?i Sigurnosni indeks, ve?e su ?anse da vam va?i dobici budu ispla?eni.
The player from Germany reports that his winnings of €2,800 have been confiscated after a €220 deposit and subsequent spins. He believes the casino's terms are unclear regarding the withdrawal limits of winnings from free spins and feels unsupported by customer service.
Igra? iz Nema?ke izve?tava da mu je dobitak od 2.800 evra oduzet nakon depozita od 220 evra i naknadnih okretaja. On smatra da su uslovi kazina nejasni u vezi sa ograni?enjima povla?enja dobitaka od besplatnih okretaja i smatra da nema podr?ku od strane korisni?ke slu?be.
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Zdravo, u prilogu dostavljam svoj tekst, koji sam napisao u op?toj diskusiji.
Zdravo, ne, dobitak je oduzet.
Prethodno sam uplatio 220 evra, a zatim osvojio jo? 19 evra od nekih okretaja. Ovo je dodato mom pravom novcu. Sa ovim dobitkom od 19 evra, igrao sam ukupno 19 sati i imao 2.800 evra. Uslovi i odredbe navode da dobici od besplatnih okretaja mogu biti do 50 evra, ali ne i da dobici ostvareni nakon toga mogu biti do 50 evra. To nema smisla, jer bih tada morao da podignem 15 evra i ponovo uplatim 15 evra. Prema re?ima podr?ke, sredstva su bila pome?ana i stoga bi sve bilo konfiskovano. ?eleo bih da podnesem ?albu.
?tavi?e, podr?ka mi nije ?ak ni dala bonus u ?askanju niti mi je na bilo koji na?in iza?la u susret.
Hello, I am attaching my text, which I wrote in the general discussion.
Hello, no, the winnings were confiscated.
I previously deposited €220 and then won another €19 from some spins. This was added to my real money. With this €19 winnings, I played for a total of 19 hours and had €2,800. The terms and conditions state that winnings from the free spins can be up to €50, but not that winnings earned afterward can be up to €50. That doesn't make sense, since I would then have to withdraw €15 and deposit €15 again. According to support, the funds were mixed, and therefore everything would be confiscated. I would like to file a complaint.
Furthermore, the support didn't even give me a bonus in the chat or accommodate me in any way.
Guten Tag, ich füge hierbei meinen Text bei, welchen ich in die generelle Diskussion geschrieben habe.
Guten Tag, nein der Gewinn wurde konfestiert.
Ich habe vorher 220 Euro eingezahlt und dann hab ich aus irgendwelchen Spins nochmals 19 Euro gewonnen. Diese wurden meinem Echtgeld hinzugefügt. Mit diesem Gewinn von 19 Euro habe ich insgesamt 19 Stunden gespielt und hatte 2800 Euro. In den AGB steht, dass Gewinne aus den Freispielen 50 Euro betragen dürfen, aber nicht, dass Gewinne, welche danach erzielt werden. Das macht ja kein Sinn, da ich somit 15 Euro auszahlen und 15 wieder einzahlen müsste. Laut dem Support haben sich Gelder gemischt und somit würde alles konfestiert werden. Ich m?chte hiermit Beschwerde einreichen.
Des Weiteren hat der Support mir danach im Chat nichtmal einen Bonus gew?hrt oder ist mir in irgendeiner Weise entgegenkommen.
Hvala vam puno ?to ste podneli ?albu. ?ao mi je zbog problema sa kojim ste se susreli. Da bih vam efikasno pomogao, ?eleo bih da postavim nekoliko dodatnih pitanja:
Da li sam dobro razumeo da je va? dobitak od 2.800 evra bio ograni?en na 50 evra zbog maksimalnog limita za isplatu dobitaka od besplatnih okretaja?
Nakon ?to ste ispunili uslove za kla?enje, da li ste dobili obave?tenje kojim se potvr?uje da je bonus u potpunosti ulo?en i da su va?i dobici postali pravi novac?
Mo?ete li, molim vas, poslati link ili snimak ekrana bonusa za besplatne okrete koji ste koristili?
Pored toga, da li biste mogli da prosledite bilo kakvu komunikaciju koju ste imali sa korisni?kom podr?kom kazina u vezi sa kori??enjem me?ovitih fondova?
Nadam se da ?emo mo?i da vam pomognemo da re?ite ovaj problem ?to je pre mogu?e.
Unapred hvala na va?em odgovoru.
Srda?an pozdrav,
Veronika
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Dear thorben322,
Thank you very much for submitting your complaint. I’m sorry to hear about the issue you’ve encountered. To assist you effectively, I’d like to ask a few follow-up questions:
Am I correct in understanding that your winnings of €2,800 were capped at €50 due to the maximum withdrawal limit for free spin winnings?
After completing the wagering requirements, did you receive any notification confirming that the bonus was fully wagered and that your winnings had become real money?
Could you please send a link or a screenshot of the free spin bonus you played with?
Additionally, could you forward any communication you had with the casino’s customer support regarding the use of mixed funds?
I hope we’ll be able to help you resolve this matter as soon as possible.
Thank you in advance for your reply.
Best regards,
Veronika
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Dobar dan, hvala vam na brzom odgovoru.
Da, re?eno mi je da ?e isplata biti ograni?ena zbog bonusa.
U ?askanju sam obave?ten da su sredstva pome?ana i da ?e mi ceo saldo biti obrisan.
?tavi?e, mislim da uslovi kori??enja nemaju smisla osim ako ne osvojite vi?e od iznosa navedenog u uslovima kori??enja direktno od besplatnih okretaja. Ako su besplatni okretaji i svi uslovi za kla?enje ispunjeni, nema smisla povla?iti X iznos samo da biste ga ponovo uplatili i nastavili da igrate.
Ne, nisam dobio imejl, ali prema re?ima kazina, u nov?aniku sam u svakom trenutku imao samo pravi novac; to sam vi?e puta proveravao.
Generalno, odre?ene igre nude besplatne okrete, koje zatim morate da odigrate da biste igrali igru sa svojim novcem.
Mislim da je ovo prevara i da se koristi samo da bi se izbegle isplate.
Tako?e sam nakon otkazivanja pitao da li postoji neka nadoknada, proporcionalni kredit ili ne?to sli?no i sve je dosledno odbijano.
Na?alost, imam samo odlomak iz razgovora jer sam ga dobio kao imejl.
Good day, thank you for the quick reply.
Yes, I was told that the payout would be limited due to a bonus.
I was informed in the chat that funds had been mixed up and that my entire balance would be deleted.
Furthermore, I think the terms and conditions don't make sense unless you win more than the amount stated in the terms and conditions directly from free spins. If the free spins and any wagering requirements have been met, it doesn't make sense to withdraw X amount just to deposit it again and continue playing.
No, I didn't get an email, but according to the casino, I only had real money in my wallet at any given time; I checked that repeatedly.
In general, certain games offer free spins, which you then have to play in order to play the game with your money.
I think this is a scam and is only used to avoid payouts.
I also asked after the cancellation whether there was any compensation, pro rata credit or something similar and everything was consistently rejected.
Unfortunately, I only have an excerpt from the chat because I received it as an email.
Guten Tag, danke für die schnelle Antwort.
Ja mir wurde gesagt, dass aufgrund eines Bonus die Auszahlung begrenzt w?re.
Im Chat wurde mir mitgeteilt, dass sich Gelder vermischt haben und dadurch das ganze Guthaben gel?scht wird.
Zudem finde ich schon, dass die AGB kein Sinn machen, au?er wenn man direkt aus Freispielen mehr als den in den AGB genannten H?he gewinnt. Wenn die Freespins und jegliche Umsatzbedingungen erfüllt sind, macht es ja kein Sinn Betrag X auszuzahlen um ihn wieder einzuzahlen und weiterzuspielen.
Nein ich habe keine E-Mail bekommen, aber zu jeglichem Zeitpunkt hatte ich laut Casino nur Echtgeld in meinem Geldbeutel, dass hatte ich immer wieder nachgeschaut.
Allgemein ist es so, dass in bestimmten Spielen Freispiele gew?hrt werden, welche man dann sozusagen Spielen muss, um das Spiel mit seinem Geld dann zu spielen.
Ich finde dies stellt eine Masche da und dient ausschlie?lich um Auszahlungen zu vermeiden.
Zudem habe ich nach Stornierung gefragt, ob es irgendeine Entsch?digung, anteiliges Guthaben oder ?hnliches gibt und alles wurde konsequent abgelehnt.
Leider habe ich lediglich einen Ausschnitt vom Chat, da ich diesen als E-Mail bekommen habe.
Molim vas, zatra?ite od kazina da vam po?alje celu istoriju igranja u Eksel formatu, po?ev od trenutka kada ste aktivirali besplatne okrete, pa sve do trenutka kada ste osvojili 2800€, a zatim mi je prosledite na [email protected] Hvala vam na strpljenju i saradnji.
Please request the casino to send you the entire gaming history in Excel format, starting from the moment you activated the free spins, up to the moment you won 2800€, and then forward it to me at [email protected]. Thank you for your patience and cooperation.
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Dobar dan,
Ve? sam poslao dva imejla kazinu, ali jo? nisam dobio odgovor. Nastavi?u da poku?avam da vas obave?tavam.
Srda?an pozdrav
Good day,
I've already sent the casino two emails, but haven't received a response yet. I'll keep trying and keep you updated.
Best regards
Guten Tag,
ich habe dem Casino schon zwei E-Mails geschrieben, jedoch bis dato keine Antwort erhalten. Ich probiere es weiterhin und werde sie auf dem laufenden Halten.
viele Grü?e
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A?uriranje: Po?to sam pauzirao nalog, re?eno mi je u ?askanju u?ivo da mogu sam da dobijem istoriju i da mi je ne?e dostaviti, tako da ?u morati da sa?ekam dok nalog ponovo ne bude slobodan. To bi trebalo uskoro da se desi.
Update: Since I paused my account, I was told in live chat that I could get the history myself and that they wouldn't provide it to me, so I'd have to wait until the account was free again. This should happen soon.
Update: Da ich mein Konto pausiert habe wurde mir im Live Chat gesagt, dass ich den Verlauf selber beschaffen k?nnte und diese Ihn mir nicht zur Verfügung stellen, also müsste ich warten bis das Konto nochmal frei ist. Dies sollte bald der Fall sein.
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A?uriranje: Prijavljen sam na nalog, ali mogu da pravim samo snimke ekrana, ?to bi pokrilo nekoliko stotina stranica.
Srda?an pozdrav
Update: I am in the account, but can only take screenshots, which would cover several hundred pages.
Best regards
Update: ich bin in dem Account drin, kann jedoch lediglich Scrennshots machen, welche jedoch insoweit über mehrere hundert Seiten gehen würden.
Mo?ete li mi, molim vas, poslati link ili snimak ekrana bonusa za besplatne okrete koji ste aktivirali i sa kojim ste igrali?
Koji je bio maksimalni dozvoljeni iznos koji se mogao osvojiti od besplatnih okretaja?
Could you please send me a link or a screenshot of the free spin bonus you activated and played with?
What was the maximum allowed amount that could be won from the free spins?
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Zdravo, to je jedino ?to vidim. Tako?e sam imao besplatne okrete na Gonzos Quest-u, ukupno preko 90. To mi je saop?teno u ?askanju u?ivo. Onda sam pogledao svoj saldo, koji je pokazivao oko 20 evra pravog novca, a onda sam osvojio 2.800 evra, ?to je konfiskovano.
Hello, that's the only thing I can see. I also had free spins on Gonzos Quest, over 90 in total. This was communicated to me in the live chat. Then I looked at my balance, which showed about €20 in real money, and then I won €2,800, which was confiscated.
Hallo, das ist das einzige, was ich sehen kann, ich habe bei Gonzos Quest auch noch Freispiele gehabt, insgesamt über 90 Stück, dies wurde mir im Livechat mitgeteilt. Und dann habe ich auf mein Guthaben geschaut, wo ca. 20 Euro Echtgeldguthaben stand und danach hab ich 2800 Euro gewonnen, welche beschlagnahmt wurden
Hvala vam puno, thorben322, ?to ste mi pru?ili sve potrebne informacije. Sada ?u va?u ?albu proslediti kolegi Pavlu ( [email protected] ) koji ?e vam biti na raspolaganju. ?elim vam puno sre?e i nadam se da ?e va? problem biti re?en na va?e zadovoljstvo u bliskoj budu?nosti.
Thank you very much, thorben322, for providing all the necessary information. I will now transfer your complaint to my colleague Pavel ([email protected]) who will be at your assistance. I wish you the best of luck and hope to see your problem being resolved to your satisfaction in the near future.
Hvala vam na strpljenju. Sada ?u se pozabaviti va?om ?albom i nadam se da ?emo zajedno re?iti problem.
?eleo bih da pozovem kazino da im pru?im priliku da objasne svoju stranu situacije.
Po?tovani Woopwin Casino, u slu?aju kr?enja uslova i odredbi od strane igra?a, molim vas da po?aljete relevantne dokaze na moju e-po?tu: [email protected] Ne?e biti deljeno ni sa kim, uklju?uju?i i igra?a. Hvala vam!
Hello, thorben322!
Thank you for your patience. Now I will be taking care of your complaint and I hope that together we will resolve the problem.
I would like to invite the casino to give them a chance to explain their side of the situation.
Dear Woopwin Casino, in case of player's breach of terms and conditions, please, send the relevant evidence to my e-mail: [email protected]. It will not be shared with anyone, including the player. Thank you!
Voleli bi da zamolimo kazino da odgovori na ovu pritu?bu. Produ?ujemo timer za 7 dana. Ako kazino ne odgovori u predvi?enom roku, prigovo ?emo zatvoriti kao "nere?en", ?to mo?e negativno uticati na rejting kazina.
We would like to ask the casino to reply to this complaint. We are extending the timer by 7 days. If the casino fails to respond in the set time frame, we will close the complaint as ‘unresolved’ which may negatively affect its rating.
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