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5 m?nader sedan

Jag skulle vilja ha lite ?sikter fr?n folket h?r p? forumet. Om jag f?r dela med mig av min historia.

Jag var en kasinospelare i ?ver ett ?r, och jag tr?ffade en som verkade ganska lovande. Det var d?r min olycka b?rjade.

Jag tr?ffade detta kasino och det var h?r jag ins?g att jag hade ett allvarligt spelproblem.

Jag gick in i chatten flera g?nger f?r att be att mitt konto skulle st?ngas. Jag n?mnde inte spelproblemet tydligt, f?r de som har ett spelproblem sk?ms ?ver att s?ga det.

Jag bad flera g?nger efter att ha f?rlorat mycket pengar att st?nga kontot, och i chatten var de alltid uppm?rksamma och ber?ttade f?r mig om n?gra verktyg f?r ansvarsfullt spelande, s?som ins?ttningsgr?nser, insatsgr?nser, paus, men de ber?ttade aldrig om m?jlighet till sj?lvuteslutning.

Chatttjejen m?ste ha analyserat mitt spelarkonto och f?reslog att jag "blockerar kasinospel p? obest?md tid" samtidigt som jag beh?ller omr?det f?r sportbetting.

Det argumentet r?ckte f?r att h?lla mig aktiv p? kasinot.

Fr?ga 1 - Vad menas med en obest?md tid? I min ordbok betyder det utan slutdatum


Jag ins?g senare att den h?r metoden var detsamma som ingenting, eftersom allt jag beh?vde g?ra var att logga in p? chatten och beg?ra att kasinoomr?det skulle avblockeras, och jag skulle f? kasinot igen. Jag blockerade och avblockerade till och med kasinoomr?det dussintals g?nger om dagen.

2:a fr?ga - ?r inte chattpersonalen och annan kasinopersonal tvungen att utbildas f?r att uppt?cka spelare som visar m?nster av spelberoende? Enligt min mening, om de ?r utbildade f?r att g?ra detta, kan de l?tt se att en spelare som ber om att blockera casinot flera g?nger om dagen antingen ?r paranoid, eller har ett spelproblem, och borde agera f?r att skydda honom.


Efter flera f?rluster och flera f?rfr?gningar om att st?nga mitt konto f?reslog de en VIP-chef.

Han erbjuder mig 500 euro och garanterar mig allt st?d i v?rlden. Han erbj?d mig cashback f?r f?rluster, etc... Tja, f?r n?gon som ?r beroende ?r det att ge syn ?t en blind man.


Den h?r superprofessionella kontochefen och jag kn?t en v?nskap och det blev allt sv?rare f?r mig att erk?nna att jag var helt beroende. N?r jag inte hade gjort en ins?ttning p? ett tag d?k han upp med n?gra gratissnurr eller n?gra euro... och det skulle b?rja om igen.


Jag tog mod till mig att v?lja bort f?rst n?r de bytte kontoansvarig, och ?ven med den var jag tvungen att v?lja bort det under en l?nghelg eftersom jag inte ville att han skulle ?vertyga mig om att stanna igen, f?r det skulle han.


3:e fr?gan - ?r hela denna process normal? ?r allt detta lagligt? ?r all denna till?ten praxis?

DESSA RAPPORTER SPILLER TYV?RR INGEN roll, F?R DET SOM EGENTLIGEN BETYDER ?R FRASEN " JAG VILL EXKLUDERA MIG SJ?LV F?R ATT JAG ?R BEROENDE" .

TYV?RR ?R DESSA CASINO-ANST?LLDA SOM H?LLER ATT ATT ATT ATT ATT ATT VARA VAKTA OCH SKYDDA SPELAREN INGENTING ?R MER ?N ORD, F?R I SLUTSATSEN HANDLAR DET ALLT OM M?LEN F?R DE STORA KASINONA.


Om du kan hj?lpa mig med ett svar p? dessa 3 fr?gor skulle jag uppskatta det.

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5 m?nader sedan

Hello again,

I can't provide direct experience, because I have never been in that position, but I would respond to the topic. Presenting the business standards, because nothing in life is just one sided.

Just recently I posted a question on our social media profiles: Can you tell the difference between an account closure and permanent self-exclusion? In my opinion, your experience is very close to this subject.

I perfectly understand anyone may feel ashamed to come clean about losing control over gambling. Sadly

people close their accounts for many reasons, and online casinos' responses to such requests can vary significantly. Therefore, you should have a clear understanding of why you want to close your account and then proceed accordingly by telling the support.

Relying on your assumption that every single chat worker is able to analyze your gaming history is not just quite unreal but also very dangerous.

Account closure can be easily revoked, so the Self-Exclusion without mentioning the gambling issue. Also, a casino worker will most likely try to attract you to stay, suggest gambling tools, or use other methods to prevent harm but still convince you to stay. That's the crucial point. They just do not have to take the request so seriously until you clearly state the addiction. Such a statement should change everything.

So sadly, yes—if a player evades saying he's experiencing gambling harm, what the casino did does not sound that extraordinary to me.

I'm not saying it was all good; I have not, for example, seen the way this manager treated you. In my opinion, it sounds kind of weird, but I can't judge anyone without knowing the full context.

Lawyers would probably say this was legal, but we are not lawyers here.

In order to bring more insight to the whole situation, we would need to see the timeline and concrete chats, I guess. Still, if you feel that, for example, the casino forced you to act under duress with its approach, you may gather the evidence and present this through the complaint.


In any case, this is very true from the safety perspective:

"UNFORTUNATELY, THESE REPORTS DON'T MATTER, BECAUSE WHAT REALLY MATTERS IS THE PHRASE " I WANT TO EXCLUDE MYSELF BECAUSE I'M ADDICTED".


I spotted a few players submitting complaints because the casinos closed their accounts to prevent gambling harm. Those players claim there have never been any signs, and they have never asked for that.

This, in my opinion, demonstrates how important the open and clear communication is.


Radka
5 m?nader sedan

Tack s? mycket f?r din insikt.

Men det ?r l?tt att se hur casinot i fr?ga ens struntade i frasen, jag vill utesluta mig sj?lv p? grund av spelberoende.

I augusti f?rra ?ret utnyttjade jag en l?nghelg, n?r min VIP-chef var borta, f?r att beg?ra sj?lvuteslutning, och ?ven d? st?ngde de inte kontot, de sa att det inte var m?jligt eftersom jag var VIP-kund och jag var tvungen att v?nta p? att min VIP-chef skulle st?nga den.

N?r han kom kom han med en bonus och ?vertygade mig om att stanna.

Senare bad jag om att omedelbart v?lja bort det och h?vdade att det var min r?ttighet.

Jag bad om en ?terbetalning, det nekades, jag var tvungen att involvera kahnawake Gaming-kommission, sedan antog de felet och gav mig bara tillbaka beloppet som satts in sedan den sj?lvuteslutningsbeg?ran.


Jag ber?ttar det h?r bara s? att du har ett exempel p? hur de ignorerade mig ?ven med beg?ran om sj?lvuteslutning.


Sedan fick jag reda p? att en del av betalningarna till detta kasino gjordes med hj?lp av f?rm?nstagare som inte hade n?got med kasinot att g?ra, till exempel:

Topcom

Ad wadata lda

Mydates

Keygo

Triramp

Etc...

Hur som helst, att komma in i denna v?rld av kasinon k?nns som att g? in p? darkweb

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cgouveia
5 m?nader sedan

Hi,

I see. The topic of closing a casino account essentially changes as the specifics do.

What, in my opinion, always remains, though, is whether and how the player expresses the addiction. I was trying to point out that a standalone self-exclusion request without any mention of the addiction will very likely end up with a retention process. Like the situation with the VIP manager, for example.

Now it seems that you stated the addiction or immediate gambling harm, which is always a good call when losing the control. As I suggested, though, these situations are very delicate; there are no international scripts for possible scenarios, so the casino has to rely on its own standards, and players tend to rely on their own expectations.

So, the self-exclusion request is, in many situations, considered a usual request for the account closure unless the player ask for the permanent self exclusion due to the gambling addiction. The addiction is the trigger here, not the self-exclusion option.

To the payment processors, it is pretty much a very common way to handle deposits. I already saw some activity in the thread about misused merchant codes, which is quite the subject, isn't it?


Radka
5 m?nader sedan

?r detta ett juridiskt f?rfarande? Bryter det inte mot AML-reglerna?

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cgouveia
5 m?nader sedan

Not sure what specifically is supposed to be in question.

Well, I told you we are not lawyers, so you should ask specialists on legal matters if you're concerned about legality and the AML.

Legal matters are out of my range of knowledge and also outside Casino Guru's field of expertise.

cgouveia
5 m?nader sedan

Do you have the chat logs that back up your claim?


if you request self exclusion and state gambling issues. Then any casino (even the scam ones) will instantly block your account.


I speak from experience, so I’m happy for you to prove me wrong

?ndrad
Charlie_Manchester
5 m?nader sedan

Tack f?r ditt svar,

Jag har ett ?ppet klagom?l till ett casino, som trots att det var reglerat tog 13 dagar att st?nga mitt konto.


Men i rapporten jag gjorde ovan, efter att jag bad om sj?lvuteslutning, bad de mig att v?nta p? VIP-chefen, och han v?nde mig om.

Jag bad dock alltid om att f? st?nga kontot, men de gav mig alltid n?got, antingen en bonus eller en vip manager eller veckovis cashback osv.

Jag bad till och med att bli blockerad fr?n kasinoomr?det dussintals g?nger om dagen och att bli avblockerad. Tyv?rr vidtog inte kasinot n?gon ?tg?rd och f?reslog att jag skulle utesluta mig sj?lv. Jag ventilerade mycket till min VIP-chef. Jag l?t mig ledas in i ett v?nskapsf?lt... och det var slutet p? det

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cgouveia
5 m?nader sedan

That’s a fair point but if you say that you specifically mentioned gambling issues then the casino wouldn’t take 13 days to close the account.

On another note. The casino VIP manager isn’t your friend and never will be. They are there to exploit you as much as they can and extract as much money out of you that is possible.

Im sorry to appear cynical, but after spending many years in the depths of despair that is gambling addiction, I simply can’t accept that any casino would act in this way.

I have played thousands of casinos and every single time I self excluded and mentioned addiction, my account was locked out immediately

Charlie_Manchester
5 m?nader sedan

https://casinoguru-int.com/pt/palmslots-casino-o-encerramento-da-conta-do-jogador

Och det ?r fortfarande inte l?st.

Det h?r ?r ett exempel, i ett annat kasino beg?rde jag sj?lvuteslutning, de st?ngde inte kontot och bara n?r jag involverade kahnawake Gaming-kommission fortsatte de att ?terbetala ins?ttningarna efter sj?lvuteslutning

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cgouveia
5 m?nader sedan

You seem to be avoiding the points that I raise in my replies.

What help is it that you need from the forum?

Support to help you through the gambling issues or the issues you seem to have with the gaming commission?

Are you based in Canada?

5 m?nader sedan

Jag bor i Portugal.

Mitt problem ?r med spelen

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cgouveia
5 m?nader sedan

So how come you keep mentioning the kahnawake Gaming commission?

They are based in Canada.

Did you gamble on casinos from Canada.


What games do you have issues with

?ndrad
Charlie_Manchester
5 m?nader sedan

Nej. Men det ?r tillsynsmyndigheten f?r vissa kasinon som ?r verksamma i Europa.

Till exempel

22 bet

Leon

Nio kasino


etc.

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cgouveia
5 m?nader sedan

Yeh that’s fine. But still not sure what it is you're looking for on here.

you don’t really seem to engage in the messages.

if you have lost your money at the casino then you need to accept that and let it go. Nobody is to blame for you losing it other than yourself.

trying to get gaming commission’s involved and banks and that is a waste of time. Blaming the game is a waste of time.

the first part of accepting that you have a problem with gambling is to stop finding someone or something to blame.

take ownership, take space away from it and focus on moving forwards

4 m?nader sedan

My words exactly leave the pass in the pass get on with your new life. It is hard to closes a account at the casino, but when you say you have a gambling problem it will take time to closes your account because this goes out to all the casinos your name will be black listed, please don't look at this as being embarrassed that you have a gambling problem this is a good step in the right directions, its like a alcoholic that said they want to quit drinking they ask for help. Playing at the casino is all about lucky and stupidity your lucky if you win and your stupid keep going on if you lose ???????.

4 m?nader sedan

First, make sure you have discretionary income to use - that is the money left over after taxes, rent, food, utilities, clothing, savings, etc.

When you enter the casino, the 1% rule is a good place to start [ex. if you want to play a $10 table, have at least $1,000 dollars available].

If you really want to stretch your dollars, enter tournaments as a small buy-in may give you many more times in chips, will give you significantly more play time, and the competition will show you where you are weak so you improve.

Lastly, remember the casino will try everything it can to get you to spend more than you plan ... so do not take any extra money, credit cards, or other source of further funding.

4 m?nader sedan

Love you game

4 m?nader sedan

My words exactly leave the pass in the pass get on with your new life. It is hard to closes a account at the casino,but when you say you have a gambling problem it will take time to closes your account because this goes out to all the casinos your name will be black listed,please don't look at this as being embarrassed that you have a gambling problem this is a good step in the right directions, its like a alcoholic that said they want to quit drinking they ask for help Playing at the casino


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