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3 ?r sedan

What is youre experience of this new casino? If you dont have any, stay far away.opened an account 27/1,lost some and asked emailed them asking them to close my account due to gambling issues. They instructed me to do it using a cooloff function on the site, i did so and blocked my self for 30 days…. 30/1 addict as i am I opened a new account on the same site signing and depositing with bankid /veryfing personalid, name and adress each time i deposit. I won some, and first today i got contacted by their Securitydepartment receiving info that my new account are blocked (of course) and the winnings confiscated (can understand that), when asking them to send back the approximatly 347 euros i deposit since yesterday, im told that they hav placed those money on the account i opened 27/1 and asked them go close due to gambling issues.. horrifying, when demanding them to pay those funds immideatly to my bankaccount (that i used for deposits) they answer me "As a loyalty gesture, we have refunded your deposits to your first player accouny", as a lotalty gesture? This is maffiabehaviour, and they should be blacklisted immideatly, everyone should stay far away, due to player safety matters. The fact that they can Hold except winnings Also youre money are horryfying. They should be blacklisted asap, they dont have a mgalicens i know and i feel stupid even considering opening an account with them, they are regulated through an Estonian licens, and as a EU-member i thought they were safe.

Birgule81
3 ?r sedan

Hello, just to be sure - did you mean this casino, please?

Radka
3 ?r sedan

https://www.winnerz.com/, this one-might be the same..not sure

Birgule81
3 ?r sedan

There are cases where casinos deserve to be blacklisted, but this isn't one of them. You breached their terms and conditions by creating another account. They did what only a fair casino would do: They voided the winnings, but returned the deposits.

Of course, the problem is that they had to close the 2nd account immediately so they decided to move the deposits to your 1st account. If I understand it correctly, your 1st account is closed now due to self-exlusion for 30 days, but it will be reopen after that. Then, that will be the moment when you should be able withdraw back all your deposits.

The only thing I'm concerned about is the fact that they shouldn't let you reopen the account if it's closed due to gambling issues. It should remain closed when you mention that this is the reason for closing your account. But the tool you described probably works differently. It doesn't matter what's the reason for closing account, the player has always an option to choose a specific period (30days etc.).

3 ?r sedan

Gillar er och er funktion b?r inte underskattas, ni verkar i en marknad d?r kunden ?r v?ldigt s?rbar. Som spelberoende d?r jag aktivt n?mner beroendet och ber om att f? bli blockad,?nd? kunde s?tta upp ytterligare ett konto och d?refter deponera ett 15-20 tal g?nger ?r horribelt, vinner och k?per det faktum att de konfiskerar vinsterna. Dock ut spelars?kerhet och den aspekten ?r det h?rresande att de dels hotar med att konfiskera insatta medel, samt slutligen tycker de utf?r en god g?rning som s?tter in de p? samma tidigare ?ppnat konto som man bett om att f? st?nga pga spelberoende. Med tanke p? att man skapar/betalar med bankid d?r samtliga uppgifter s?som personnr/namn/adress mm verifieras, varf?r v?ntar de p? att jag ska deponera ett 20 tal ggr och ev ?beropa en vinst innan de st?nger kontot? Vore ju en fr?jd om man kunde st?nga av sig globalt och slippa detta helvete

Daniel
3 ?r sedan

Menar bara att vi alla ?r vuxna och f?r ta eget ansvar,dock finns det akt?rer d?rute som tar sitt ansvar och om?jligg?r h?ndelser s?som detta, vore ex helt om?jligt f?r mig att ?ppna upp en nytt konto p? Quick.bet, s? fort jag loggar in med mitt BankID blockas jag, detsamma g?ller m?nga andra akt?rer, denna akt?r ger dig m?jligheten att ?ppna p? nytt, deponera en massa g?nger f?r att d?refter st?nga. Just detta ?r ingenting en seri?s Akt?r p? en marknad med m?nga s?rbara skulle g?ra.

Birgule81
3 ?r sedan

It's interesting to see that you mentioned the option to shut yourself off globally. We started a global exclusion initiative during last year. It's gonna be a long process, but we'd like to help creating a tool that would enable this. Take a look: http://www.kpvfaw.com/global-self-exclusion-initiative

I agree that considering the fact you deposited with BankID, then it shouldn't be that difficult for the casino to block your account immediately. There are systems that can block you automatically when you add the same name and details about yourself, when you use the same IP address or even the same device. Then this should be possible as well.

Daniel
3 ?r sedan

Jag beundrar verkligen ert arbete med att ett s?dant verktyg ska implementeras, ett globalt utest?ngningsverktyg skulle g?ra otroligt m?nga individer och familjer enorm nytta. L?ste en intervju med n?gon av er representanter vilket imponerade p? mig, jag v?nder mig till och hoppas alla akt?rer som inte tar detta beroende och problem p? allvar att omedelbart se ?ver sina regler och f?rfaranden. Hursomhaver ?r det viktigt att de outas och hamnar i ljuset, finns ofantligt m?nga seri?sa,ansvarstagande och duktiga akt?rer - finns s?kert lika m?nga d?liga, viktigt att folk d?rute f?r sig en uppfattning kring vem man ska och vem man inte ska v?nda sig till


3 ?r sedan

All is fine until you try get money out. Then they use every rule against you. My neighbor country acts like nigerians. Very sad.

3 ?r sedan

Unfortunately this message didn't show me before I registered. They have one their own review in main page. This is one man casino = zombie casino. No support, no cash history, no game history. Only automatic emails. Don't waste your time.

Daniel
3 ?r sedan

You don't have much responsible gaming options in your site. Your software have option to give clients possibility set deposit limits...but you have decided to not use it.

3 ?r sedan

Unfortunately this message didn't show me before I registered. They have one their own review in main page. This is one man casino = zombie casino. No support, no cash history, no game history. Only automatic emails. Don't waste your time.

3 ?r sedan

Hello,

I answered you here.

Did you play with any bonus? Do you have some screenshots showing there is no history available?

JuhaK
3 ?r sedan

We don't really have any software that would allow our clients to set deposit limits, since we're not a casino, we have no clients in terms of players who deposit and lose money and we don't even accept any form of deposits.

We also have a whole website section dedicated to responsible gambling: http://www.kpvfaw.com/problem-gambling

?ndrad
Daniel
2 ?r sedan

I hope that this global exclusion thing will be implemented soon. Many friends of mine committed suicide. Online gaming is the only where we cannot be rescued at the moment.

Birgule81
2 ?r sedan

Totally agree..

2 ?r sedan

I hope that this global exclusion thing will be implemented soon. Many friends of mine committed suicide. Online gaming is the only where we cannot be rescued at the moment.

2 ?r sedan

I would not say "only" but yes - there is a lot to be done in order to improve the current state of a proper safer gambling environment.

2 ?r sedan

Winnerz.com<————-> fraud scammers dont play or deposit.yesterday 2020-10-21 i won 4600 euro and i Disney get the money out the keep asking for more end more dokumention of income and finlly about what car u have etc, etc just wont pay the money out the the shut my account down rest is hostory

richardbollstrom8
2 ?r sedan

Hello,

it sounds like you had a real issue passing the account verification. Any particular document you find hard to provide, please?

I can imagine that you would like your winnings to be paid out immediately, but the casino must verify you and your payment option to accept the withdrawal, this is an inevitable procedure in every decent casino.

Let me know how it goes, please.


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